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#1 hobo2

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Posted 13 June 2010 - 11:55 PM

Background
Recently I have been emulating Playstation 2 games and I go to get my old Logitech Dual Action gamepad, but I am unable to find it. I have used it on rare occasion in the past for games like Psychonauts, but overall it hasn't found too much use, which is why it's lost now. Anyway, I'm thinking that a good general purpose gamepad would be a nice thing to have. I do have some Sega Saturn USB pads which are great for 2D games, but I'm looking for something more suitable for 3D games.

What I am considering at the time of making this topic
I searched around, starting at the wired Xbox 360 controller. This controller seems to receive a lot of praise and as a bonus it is compatible with all Games for Windows titles. I have heard the d-pad is terrible, though, and while I have 2D gaming covered, an all-in-one would be nice. So I looked at third party Xbox 360 controllers and one in particular piqued my interest. It's the Hori Ex2 Turbo gamepad. The Price seems reasonable (Approximately $36) and the build looks solid. The d-pad looks much better as well. Here is a picture I stole from Hori's website of the gamepad in two colours:
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I'm wondering if anyone has any recommendations.

Features I am looking for in particular
- Excellent build quality, something that will last.
- Ergonomic with good button placement. Something that could be used for hours of gaming comfortably.
- Really good analog sticks. This is mostly focused for 3D games, so I want the sticks to be precise and last as long as possible.
- Reasonable Price. Anything below $50 should be good.
- Uses a USB interface and is compatible with Windows 7.
- Shipping to Canada.

Additional Comments
I like the Hori Ex2 pad, but I'm wondering if anyone has other suggestions or even if someone has that particular gamepad and could give me impressions on it. Thank you.

#2 everyclear

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Posted 14 June 2010 - 02:05 AM

alternatively you could just buy a 3 dollar USB to PS2 adapter and plug that into your computer using a classic PS2 controller.  It worked like a charm for me on XP when I tried it a few days ago.

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Posted 14 June 2010 - 02:18 AM

alternatively you could just buy a 3 dollar USB to PS2 adapter

If you do actually end up buying one of these, I recommend that you invest in a decent one $20+. I've had several different PS2 to USB adapters and a few of them have broken because of the poor quality (The USB head basically started falling off because of the weight of the adapter port, or something like that). Additionally, with these adapters, I'm pretty sure wireless controllers don't work; not sure if this is relevant, but I'm just saying.
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#4 everyclear

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Posted 14 June 2010 - 02:23 AM

what are you doing, hanging your ps2 controller off the side of your computer? 

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Posted 14 June 2010 - 02:51 AM

Sort of.
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#6 hobo2

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Posted 14 June 2010 - 03:58 AM

I'd have to buy a Playstation 2 controller in addition to the adapter, though.

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Posted 14 June 2010 - 06:17 AM

the layout of that controller looks horrible to me. IMO. (needless to say i am not a fan of the xbox controllers)

i would go for another ps2-alike, sony had it right from the beginning...

fuck it all, dd is dead


#8 everyclear

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Posted 14 June 2010 - 11:30 AM

Sort of.

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#9 Barack Obama

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Posted 14 June 2010 - 11:47 PM

you can buy a PS3 controller, download a driver, and use it

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Posted 15 June 2010 - 01:56 AM

yeah i've been looking for an answer for this but i can't really find it so here goes

how standard are the button IDs on gamepads? i've been programming gamepad support for my game based on my ps3 controller and the dpad is 5, 6, 7, and 8, the face buttons are 13, 14, 15, and 16, and select and start are 1 and 4. i've been wondering if i am completely screwing half the people who play my game out of using a gamepad if their dpad or analog sticks are mapped to a povhat or something. is the determination based on drivers, is it completely arbitrary or what?

if anyone could answer this for me, i'd really appreciate it.

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Posted 15 June 2010 - 06:28 AM

I have a generic 360 equivalent, and the face buttons are 1234, the shoulders and triggers 5678, the dpad is actually the POV hat and the sticks are, well, sticks. I think start and select are 9 and 10
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Posted 15 June 2010 - 05:34 PM

Every gamepad I've used in the past 10 years has used the POV hat for the dpad, face buttons at 1-4; start/select are normally 9 and 10 or 11 and 12. Your best bet for maximizing gamepad support would be to have the buttons mappable, or, failing that, having different button sets for a couple of different controllers. you could most likely get away with having a Ps3 layout and an Xbox 360 layout to cover most pads.

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Posted 16 June 2010 - 07:45 AM

huh, good to know. i'm sure i could work some kind of mapping solution out. thanks for the help!

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Posted 16 June 2010 - 03:51 PM

you can buy a PS3 controller, download a driver, and use it

I assume this means you need to have a BT receiver in your PC though.
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#15 everyclear

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Posted 16 June 2010 - 04:20 PM

I dunno it did state in the original post that he was looking for something specifically that could be used with a USB port.  It is kind of a total pain to have to deal with batteries and all that sort of shit when you are getting your game on.

#16 Pasty

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Posted 16 June 2010 - 07:41 PM

I assume this means you need to have a BT receiver in your PC though.


if you have a usb a - b cord you can just plug it in if you have the driver installed.

#17 hobo2

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Posted 17 June 2010 - 03:56 AM

I do happen to have a bluetooth receiver and if the USB cable can charge the controller, then this could be a pretty good option.

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Posted 17 June 2010 - 04:03 AM

unfortunately it's my experience that in order to actually charge the thing, you have to plug it into a ps3. so it's a little inconvenient, but i charge it nightly anyway and it lasts pretty long so

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Posted 17 June 2010 - 10:01 AM

I assume this means you need to have a BT receiver in your PC though.

not if you have a mini-usb to full-size USB cable. From what I know, getting it to work with bluetooth on windows is a pain in the ass(you need a seperate program to pair and act as a virtual controller to map the inputs which may cause delay. I've tried and never really got it working because it's too much effort), from personal experience it works just fine when connected to the PC by a wire.

idk, there may have been some sort of new developments in getting it working without some sort of proxy software between the gamepad and the OS with bluetooth.

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Posted 17 June 2010 - 01:34 PM

also does ps2 emulation work good enough now that it is actually worth somebodies time to emulate it on there computer? Because i tried playing persona 3 on my comp a while back and could never get the emulator to show the graphics correctly in pcsx2




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