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#1 Pilsen

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Posted 17 December 2011 - 06:39 PM

so basically SOPA will be pushed to congress (voted nay some days ago) but will continue at dec. 21 (supposed to be next year but you know those sneaky bastards)

I believe the sopa has been garnering the attention while ndaa is the slip of the shadow. it's still highly relevant.

I think this is sfficient info for those in the not-know:


I suck at giving info and honestly I don't know that much but here's something I stole (it's basically a simplified explanation of stuff):

I. The Setup
Most of the time when Productive Paula makes something to sell, she can only give it to one person.  When she makes a cake, for example, she buys all the ingredients, combines them in her special way, and then sells it to the first person who comes along and offers her money. If somebody took a cake of hers without paying her for it, she would be very hurt and this obviously wouldn't be okay.
Some products aren't like this, though.  Productive Paula is an excellent storyteller, and she holds daily storytimes where people come from all over to hear her new tales.  Since it takes lots of effort for her to come up with the stories, she still wants to be paid. So, she charges everybody who comes to listen, even though each listener after the first doesn't actually cost her anything.
II. The Issue
Naturally, there are a ragtag group of scoundrels called the Pirates who love stories more than anything, but love a whole lot of things more than paying money.  In fact, they dislike paying money quite a bit. Their friend Seeding Sam attends Paula's daily storytimes and decides to share the stories with the Pirates.  They all gather down by the bay and Sam retells the stories for free, just to be a pal. It doesn't take much energy to do this, because Paula already did the work of coming up with the story.
Paula hears about this and is very upset.  All these Pirates should be paying her for her stories, but instead their getting them for free from that wretched Sam!  Even though they're not directly hurting her in any way (as they would be by stealing her cakes) she still feels like this is a kind of stealing, and isn't okay.
We should note here that some of the anti-SOPA sentiment on reddit comes from Pirates who really like their free stories. We'll see that there are plenty of other reasons to dislike SOPA in a bit, but this is one direct reason reddit dislikes it. And not all Pirates are bad people, I promise! Our humble narrator even admits to stopping by the bay every now and then to hear a story or two....
III. The Proposal
Furious, Paula calls up her good friend Politico Pete to put an end to this theft.  Pete comes up with the following rules, which he together calls "SOPA":

  • You're not allowed to tell a story you didn't write.  That's just as bad as stealing cakes!
  • If we think you're telling a story you didn't write, Helpful Hannah will stop telling visitors how to find you.
  • If we think you're telling a story you didn't write, you have to stop telling stories until we're sure.
Pete is very happy, as this plan will help protect excellent people like Paula who make our country great.
IV. The Concerns
Seeding Sam is sad, but he understands why this is happening. He was never really sure that what he was doing was okay to begin with.  The Pirates are also upset, but they understand.  Paula needs to get paid somehow.
Helpful Hannah is a bit more upset.  She doesn't like taking sides, she just wants to tell people how to get where they want to get.  If she has to stop telling people how to get to some places, she will feel like she's not doing her job very well.
But the most upset of all is Startup Stan!  He wants to be just like Paula, he just hasn't been around as long.  He makes cakes, he tells stories, and some day he'll be just as well-known as Paula.  But wait! If Paula overhears Stan saying a sentence that sounds a lot like a sentence in one of her stories, she can call up Politico Pete and have Stan shut down for a while, making people more likely to come to her. Even if she doesn't hear anything suspicious, she might get greedy and say she did, so that Stan gets shut down for a while and she gets more money! And Stan certainly can't call up Pete, because Pete and Paula are best friends!
-----------------------------------------------To extend the metaphor and explain one of the larger conflict points in more detail, let's meet Hosting Herbert.
Hosting Herbert runs a free service where you can submit a story to him and he will make it available for anyone to have story time, whenever they want. However, Herbert can't actually tell whether a story he gets from Seeding Sam is one of Seeding Sam's own stories or one of Paula's without doing a lot of work. Instead, Herbert warns Sam not to give him stories if Sam doesn't have permission to tell them. Then when Herbert gets a story from Sam, he trusts him and starts letting people hear it.
If Paula notices that Herbert is telling one of her stories without her permission, she complains to Herbert and then he stops telling the story and apologizes to Paula. Herbert can't get in trouble for this because of "Safe Harbor" provisions in the current US laws.
Part of SOPA is that Politico Pete wants to remove the Safe Harbor provisions. Then, if Paula catches Herbert telling one of her stories that he got from Sam, Paula could ask Politico Pete to shut down Herbert's story-sharing business! Herbert's friends are concerned that Herbert could lose his way of life because Sam disregarded the rules and Herbert didn't notice.
 



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Posted 17 December 2011 - 07:26 PM

I steal cakes all the time and that's terrible

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Posted 17 December 2011 - 07:27 PM

I think the people that come up with this kind of stuff probably sit all day long in a chair inside a room with air conditioning, eats at expensive restaurants and drive a car whenever they need to move more than a few steps and in general have no idea what is going on around them

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Posted 17 December 2011 - 07:45 PM

Yeah, this is a pretty bad in many ways from what i could gather. its gonna hurt a lot of it businesses and start-ups too along with innovation/culture area pretty badly. I don't know who started this but it obviously has a lot of lobbyist and good reasons to pull out for more power for big corps in long run.

basically yo stop dis shit!!!! i don't know if they delay it or not but this could be the first law to really change things for worse. something to keep a lid on.

here's how americans stop this from happening:

http://www.youtube.c...XNv8fJM#t=1146s
http://www.reddit.co...epresentatives/

EDIT whoa do i sound demanding. well, just in case you think stuff like this won't work: the bill in Russia to criminalize sexual minorities was delayed apparently due to large prostests everywhere. idk if you believe this but i don't care.

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Posted 17 December 2011 - 08:07 PM

I think the people that come up with this kind of stuff probably sit all day long in a chair inside a room with air conditioning, eats at expensive restaurants and drive a car whenever they need to move more than a few steps and in general have no idea what is going on around them

nope, it's corp lobbied and they obviously know what they are doing.

the gains from monopolitizing the IT businesses along with another heavy patent-like system where extortion is possible and risks for start-ups are too high. protection of older business and possibly goverment interest by preventing megauploads or whatever being used for corporation hacking from eg China and Russia or even smaller countries. definitely anti-free speech tool as this was already used against some guy who used the video to raise awereness on some isue (haha HERESAY but yeah, the info is in the video). First global-wide juridical example for all western country (and elsewhere) FOR censorship and, due to this, long-term effects on democracy (or even policracy as it is) and culture.

EDIT or think of wikipedia. or any wikileaks-type of pro-democracy sites (though they'll propably go into real stolen information exchange pretty quickly but Assange's theory for the site was really fucking neat).
or music or anything! any corporation who buys massive rights to various abstract patents has the right to prove that you have stolen this from THEIR property. ergo whole site taken down by DNS blocking.

basically, it's more corporate power and to pretty important area ( IN TER NET ) in the future. fear him who tries to control or prevent information from you for he desires is to rule you.

also this bill happens next Wednesday 21 of December or gets delayed to future but regardless of outcome you should try idk put half an hour of your day or more and call your area's politicals who are going to participate into the voting and let them know that you have good reasons to be afraid of this bill and give reasons why this shouldn't happen. vote for people who don't go for this. lobbyists don't have the real voting power besides active corruption so you can do your part to actually to make the right thing happen.

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Posted 18 December 2011 - 01:46 AM

all I see it doing is forcing newer artists to find alternate ways to get their works out, ie: Free file sharing directly from the creator. I mean how in the hell are you gonna stop someone from giving away their own free works of art? And this part doesn't make any fucking sense at all: "If we think you're telling a story you didn't write, you have to stop telling stories until we're sure."

How could you stop someone that was doing this for non-profit? Also creative works are all recycled in some form or another. No one story is told without the influence of another. And I know they could take this in a more literal sense but it still applies. Artists sometimes use works nearly verbatim as a reference to another artists and this isn't done from not having the ability to create an original work but out of respect (rap does this a whole lot). So what the fuck they gonna do raid lil wayne, lupe fiasco, or kanye the next time they name drop or sample another artists work? Or is that all tied into buying rights to do shit like that?
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Posted 18 December 2011 - 11:01 AM

The real kicker is that this effects EVERY contry, not just america. In my opnion America should not have the right to make a bill that will effect other countries with out there permision or at least discussing it though this should also hold true for other contries as well. Don't the realise that word of mouth is a big draw for buying? Hell half the music I have I would never had bought if I :
A) hadn't hurd about it from sone else who either bought it or downloaded it.
b) been able to listen to them myself without buying it at least once.


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Posted 18 December 2011 - 01:10 PM

Or is that all tied into buying rights to do shit like that?

seems like it. another patent system except now they can shut down entire DNS (portals) without a warning.

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Posted 18 December 2011 - 02:21 PM

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seems like it. another patent system except now they can shut down entire DNS (portals) without a warning.

Though I think we'd all agree the patent system is necessary; SOPA however would have a chilling effect.
I've already written to my congressmanesamn about SOPA, but rereading his response I'm  not satisfied and plan to reply. I'm planning to send Spider Robinson's Melancholy Elephants , which he kindly provides under a a CC BY-NC-ND 3.0, to him as food for thought-- at least, once I've confirmed it's as I remember.
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Posted 18 December 2011 - 02:47 PM

wait your congressman actually answered you? they talk to real people? I cannot believe this...
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Posted 18 December 2011 - 03:39 PM

Yes, back on the 29th of November. It appears to be a genuine response, not a form letter, though it might have been written by a staffer. To confirm its origins, I'm only referencing the previous letter in my reply, meaning the respondent must remember, or at least consult a copy of, the original.
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Posted 21 December 2011 - 01:53 AM

hey anybody who wants to do something about this PM me and I'll give you instructions

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Posted 21 December 2011 - 04:30 AM

I haven't read about this, I thought this legislation was already shut down a few months ago, but I guess I don't pay enough attention. All these creativity distributing industries should just die off, they don't matter anymore. They had the means of production in their grasps and now they don't but I guess they still have the power to try to pull this kind of crap but it won't work in the longer term even if something like this did happen, the internet is too good a thing to be retrofitted like that. Having said that, fuck them all and if there was any skill I had, any way I could be put to use to scuttle stuff like this I'd do it.


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Posted 21 December 2011 - 08:43 AM



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Posted 21 December 2011 - 08:50 AM

Amidst the white sea of come and nothing I regularly wander, there you are.

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Posted 21 December 2011 - 09:01 AM

is this a reference that i don't get?

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Posted 21 December 2011 - 10:57 AM

he's calling you fat

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Posted 21 December 2011 - 11:09 AM

:(

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Posted 21 December 2011 - 02:54 PM

check out the Youtube suggested searches for 'so'

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Posted 21 December 2011 - 03:23 PM

you're fat

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