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#1 Ryan

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Posted 01 January 2008 - 05:41 PM

Since the Iowa caucus is a mere 2 days away, and New Hampshire is 5  days later, I thought now would be a good time to make a thread. Share your predictions/hopes/opinions and whatnot on the up coming primaries

As of now it's a 3 way tie between Obama, Clinton, and Edwards in Iowa, and on the Republican side Huckabee has a clear lead over Romney.
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Posted 01 January 2008 - 05:43 PM

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Posted 01 January 2008 - 06:03 PM

Huckabee is such an awesome name.

And what the heck is a primary anyway?
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Posted 01 January 2008 - 06:57 PM

I really don't know as much about the candidates as I should. Of course, it doesn't matter, since I live in the Netherlands. The one I've read most about is Barack Obama, and he seems a very acceptable candidate.

People are saying it would really be something if Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton were to become the next president, since there haven't ever been black or female presidents before, but I personally am waiting more eagerly for the first atheist president.


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Posted 01 January 2008 - 07:04 PM

I've seen this before, didn't it happen in 24?

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Posted 01 January 2008 - 10:32 PM

thanks for that
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Posted 01 January 2008 - 11:22 PM

Ron Paul hasn't got a chance. He's very low in the polls anyway and not many people know about him. I'm really interested in seeing which Democrat will win though.

But no one on the Republican side really interests me, it's just a bunch of the same moral police officers pretending to understand our constitution. Huckabee has got to be the worst though, with his ignorant views on how to deal with the war, and his pious attitude toward morality and his faith. I like what he has to say about taxes though, but everything else is just ridiculous.
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Posted 01 January 2008 - 11:42 PM

Ron Paul hasn't got a chance. He's very low in the polls anyway and not many people know about him.

No, thank goodness he doesn't. It's funny how people spam the online presidential candidate polls to give Ron Paul a significant lead and then complain when the poll gets taken down. The reason why that happens is because there's obviously something fishy going on when a candidate who gets no more than 2% or 3% of the votes in the serious polls suddenly receives more than half the votes in a poll that can easily and transparently be manipulated.

Ignoring Ron Paul for a moment, to me it seems right now as though Rudy Giuliani is the worst candidate.

And that's even though he gets extra credit from me for having a nicely designed website.


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Posted 02 January 2008 - 02:38 AM

None of the conservatives are both fiscally and morally conservative. I'd like both. Some have one or the other. Huckabee spends like a liberal but has some good moral grounds (God forgive he has principals).  The rest for the most part are pretty fiscally conservative but don't speak much to the other issues. I personally am not crazy about any of the conservative candidates. But no way would I ever vote for any of the democrats. Some are smart and come off very presentable (Barack Obama) or they just want to socialize and have the government pay for everything (Hilary Clinton). An anti war republican (minus Ron Paul) would be nice though.
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Posted 02 January 2008 - 02:44 AM

Kucinich doesn't have that big of a chance but he's my candidate!  And no it's not cause he's vegan or because he has a "hot" wife (I don't think she's that hot).

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Posted 02 January 2008 - 02:47 AM

Kucinich has excellent positions, however he's not sociable/presentable enough to be a top notch candidate.
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Posted 02 January 2008 - 05:11 AM

Ignoring Ron Paul for a moment, to me it seems right now as though Rudy Giuliani is the worst candidate.


The guy single handedly made New York the worst place to live.  Once Giuliani left, the state instantly became one of the healthiest, safest places to live in.  Manhattan is actually a decent city now!

I honestly don't know who I'm voting for.  Normally I go conservative because they're the ones that actually fund the military but EVERY republican candidate is just... gross. 

But I will say that I am 100% against Obama being elected solely based on the fact that he's black.  It's not that I don't think he's an able candidate or that America isn't ready for a black president, I just believe that whoever gets elected should have some experience because they are cleaning up a pretty huge mess.  Hilary is used to cleaning up behind people but I couldn't imagine Obama getting a huge stack of papers on his desk a day after being elected that states how our money isn't even worth the paper it's printed on.
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Posted 02 January 2008 - 05:28 AM

Ignoring Ron Paul for a moment, to me it seems right now as though Rudy Giuliani is the worst candidate.

regardless of what steel and the people on this forum think

ron paul actually is NOT THAT FUCKING BAD FFS. Seriously do you think that half the shit he says would ever make it through in the first place.. and even if it did... social pressure would keep a free market type system in check. Someone dies from taking an unregulated medication? Well its like the constitution already has a provision in it to put the person responsible for that death in jail. holy shit. many of his other points are defensible using oh what is it again the constitution which happens to be the what highest law in the land you say.. .no fucking way liar

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anyway yeah I'm so glad for these primaries. I'll never have to see fred thompson, tom tancredo or joe biden ever again weeee

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Posted 02 January 2008 - 05:29 AM

The guy single handedly made New York the worst place to live.  Once Giuliani left, the state instantly became one of the healthiest, safest places to live in.  Manhattan is actually a decent city now!


I hate Guiliani. He profited from 9/11. That is just wrong.

ron paul actually is NOT THAT FUCKING BAD FFS.


Seriously do you think that half the shit he says would ever make it through in the first place


I'm sorry, maybe it is just me, but I want a President who will actually get something done, and not a President who will waste time trying to pass a bunch of crackpot laws.

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Posted 02 January 2008 - 06:09 AM

regardless of what steel and the people on this forum think

ron paul actually is NOT THAT FUCKING BAD FFS. Seriously do you think that half the shit he says would ever make it through in the first place.. and even if it did... social pressure would keep a free market type system in check. Someone dies from taking an unregulated medication? Well its like the constitution already has a provision in it to put the person responsible for that death in jail. holy shit. many of his other points are defensible using oh what is it again the constitution which happens to be the what highest law in the land you say.. .no fucking way liar

sorry:d runkpost

anyway yeah I'm so glad for these primaries. I'll never have to see fred thompson, tom tancredo or joe biden ever again weeee


so because his barbaric policies have no chance of being passed he suddenly becomes less barbaric? i don't understand your logic
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Posted 02 January 2008 - 07:31 AM

has some good moral grounds (God forgive he has principals).

He's a pretend moral police officer who's passed off as honest and good simply because he's had the word reverend placed behind his name in the past. It's nothing but the same homophobic, anti-abortion RIGHTS, pro-war "logic" charlatanry that somehow gets passed off as credible thanks to his smooth-talking personality and southern charm.

I think a lot of people would vote for the leading Republicans based on their pretend "morality" but I don't think that many of them understand that it's wrong to push these "principles" on the entire nation, which is exactly what any of these candidates would do.
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Posted 02 January 2008 - 01:51 PM

I don't know I don't know I don't know


No republicans. I fucking hate hilary, obama seems nice...

Even though I think Guilianni is a fucking douche bag a Mate I talked to told me that from his experience in NYC a few years ago it seemed like he CLEANED up the city.
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Posted 02 January 2008 - 03:22 PM

so because his barbaric policies have no chance of being passed he suddenly becomes less barbaric? i don't understand your logic

I fail to see how any of his policies other than on immigration are barbaric. Sure a return to the gold standard is pretty stupid but do you think that would ever actually happen? please explain to me how ron paul is similar to Ataturk or Attila. I am not on the same page as you

keep in mind, my arguing on the side of ron paul here is not be throwing my support for him. I would never vote for him ever, I just dont think he is the evil demon monster that steel makes him out to be (keep in mind socialists and libertarians are like the opposite of each other so take into account the perspective you've acquired here, you've been exposed to what amounts to reactionary mudslinging on these forums)

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Posted 02 January 2008 - 05:11 PM

ron paul's policies are really stupid and would kill a whole lot of people in the name of an ideal. he's really quite an asshole.

also i just saw some interview with giuliani and he came of as really stupid and dishonest. i don't really know much about this guy other than that he is allegedly a pretty liberal republican, but from what i can tell yeah he should definitely not become president.

i really don't think any of these candidates are particularly brilliant and some of them are just astonishingly bad people, but i would pick barack obama based on what i've seen. i remember watching him explain his health care policy in detail and everything seemed very well thought out, in comparison to other candidates, and he seems to me to be more or less genuine.

hilary does not impress me.

but of course i live in scotland so none of what i think means a thing!

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Posted 02 January 2008 - 06:46 PM

I fail to see how any of his policies other than on immigration are barbaric. Sure a return to the gold standard is pretty stupid but do you think that would ever actually happen? please explain to me how ron paul is similar to Ataturk or Attila. I am not on the same page as you

keep in mind, my arguing on the side of ron paul here is not be throwing my support for him. I would never vote for him ever, I just dont think he is the evil demon monster that steel makes him out to be (keep in mind socialists and libertarians are like the opposite of each other so take into account the perspective you've acquired here, you've been exposed to what amounts to reactionary mudslinging on these forums)


how about him wanting to do away with the FDA? Or him wanting to return us to the Gilded Age? By no means is he similar to Attila or whatever, however he has a remarkable way of disregarding human decency in favor of his political ideals.

The whole racism thing is also pretty barbaric, imo. Steel took it a bit far, however.

Also i'm pretty socialistic so yeah
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