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#1 Lyric

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Posted 01 June 2008 - 06:28 PM

Fame is a tricky subject because it comes with some hefty pros and cons.  One of the biggest pros of fame is the wealth that often comes along with it.  Whether or not you appreciate its influence, money is a driving force in today's world.  Imagine not having to worry about the price tags on your favorite items.  Some of the other pros are notoriety, influence, and pride.  Having your name go down in the history books is a rewarding feeling I'm sure.  There is nothing better than leaving a mark on the world and having others appreciate you for it. 

However, there are also some pretty discouraging cons like lack of privacy, intense scrutiny, and stalkers.  Just take a look at Britney Spears.  Her fame as driven her to medical insanity.  She has paparazzi lurking around every corner ready to judge every bad decision she makes.  She's lost custody of her children, and her father must approve all of her expenditures before she makes them.  She's been pushed over the edge.

That being said, would you want to become famous?  If so, what would you be famous for? What would you do with your fame? What or who would you hope to inspire?

I wouldn't want to become famous on a large scale because I enjoy my privacy and wouldn't be able to handle the lack thereof.  I make enough money to be able to live comfortably with my husband, and that's really all I can ask for.  However, I am already famous for my teaching. I made the school and local newspapers. I'm not sure that counts. Aside from my teaching, I think I could become famous for my swimming. I'm pretty sure I could break a record of longest swim. I'd probably try to do something admirable with my fame like set up some sort of program for youngsters. I'd try to inspire anyone who wanted to swim as an athleticly or leisurely. 

#2 Carrion Crow

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Posted 01 June 2008 - 06:30 PM

Ok I am convinced that either Jeremy Kyle, Jerry Springer or Oprah has just opened a GW account under the guise Lyric.

#3 headphonics

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Posted 01 June 2008 - 06:30 PM

you know, you can spread these out a little bit!  seriously.

#4 Strangeluv

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Posted 01 June 2008 - 06:31 PM

You know, debate topics would be more effective if you posted them like... one at a time and NOT A DELUGE OF THEM so people can concentrate better on ONE DEBATE AT A TIME. Just a hint of advice...

#5 headphonics

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Posted 01 June 2008 - 06:33 PM

i think the first topic should be a debate topic about the best method for posting debate topics... then we can go from there

#6 Carrion Crow

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Posted 01 June 2008 - 06:34 PM

Lyric is massdebating.

#7 thecatamites

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Posted 01 June 2008 - 06:35 PM

Did anyone else think "I'm gonna live for-e-ver!" when they saw this topic's title? Just curious.

#8 Lyric

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Posted 01 June 2008 - 06:44 PM

I'm sorry to have inundated you.  I'll give it a bit more time between posts.  I just figure not every post is for everyone, so might as well post a few so that people can choose between them.

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#9 jamie

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Posted 01 June 2008 - 06:54 PM

hahahaha man this is getting stupid but okay! fuck it!

there are two kinds of fame i guess and for talking sake i'll call one fame and the other celebrity. celebrity is worthless - celebrity is being famous for being famous, being famous for being paris hilton etc. these people have not achieved anything remarkable, they aren't intelligent, impressive, brave or special in any way. they are simply famous, they are cardboard stock personalities like DIVA who people like to read about because people are stupid. this kind of fame i find really unattractive and i kind of feel lame by even talking about it. it's so bad, so worthless and stupid that putting more thought into it than "pfft, idiots." is embarassing.

the other kind of fame is more like being renowned. you've done something and people know about you because it was remarkable, intelligent, impressive, brave or special. you are a renowned author, filmmaker. a renowned politicial activist, or humanitarian - whatever you done, or how you live, it's remarkable so people know about you for it. this isn't fame of personality, although it usually helps, but you've got some substance there and people are interested because you do interesting things.

that kind of fame i wouldn't have any particular problem with. i mean the paparazzi are banging down the doors of the jokes and the spectacles, not the substantial. cos you can't get a scandal out of those guys which can be explained in a headline. 

i don't have any particular desire to be famous, but sure if i done something which i was proud of then i'd liked to be recognised for it in that field. people coming up "oh you're mr. jamicus, eh? i heard about that smashing report of yours! have a cigar why don't you!?!?!" - anybody would love that shit.

but the other kind is indulgent, pornographic, debasing and gross.


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Posted 01 June 2008 - 08:47 PM

Everyone says Im infamous! What the hell does that even mean? I opened my menu and checked my stats and I got like -4 fame :(

#11 Lars

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Posted 01 June 2008 - 10:02 PM

being a celebrity must suck bad but being recognized by the population for your influence or talent must be extremely great (like chess prodigy Magnus Carlsen who is a bit of a norwegian hero, but never stalked by the press, and his fame is based purely on his talent)

people that are famous just for being famous suck and represent everything that is evil and soulless

#12 Shepperd

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Posted 01 June 2008 - 10:21 PM

fame fucking sucks, leave me alone.

fame makes the process of socialization to be a really odd one, it is not natural.
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#13 Frankie

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Posted 01 June 2008 - 10:23 PM

I don't know if id like to be famous myself.

When people are famous just for being famous, people just judge THEM, as people.
Everyone is flawed and imperfect, bound to be ridiculed or judged somehow. Its not a coincidence if people in reality shows usually seem horrible, or stupid, because thats what people really are, and the more you follow someone's life closely, the more you come to terms with how human and flawed they are. People are arrogant, vain, weird, dumb, naive, ugly. People are people. Anyone has a potential scandal about his past, his opinions on stuff, whatever.
Its for the same reasons marriages fail a lot these days: people are in love with who they think the other person is, but as they live with them for longer and longer, they come to realize the person they are with isn't who they thought. The more you know someone, the more chances you have of having reasons of hating that person.

But when someone is known for his work instead, only his work is judged. I think thats a much more healthy kind of fame, even if its much less glamorous.

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Posted 01 June 2008 - 10:29 PM

i would like to be rich but not famous

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